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Shepard Smith breaks from the new Fox News birther obsession, calls Obama "a citizen of the United States, period."

Perhaps it's time to tell the rest of the network - ya think?



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:32 am Reply with quote
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I don't know! I really could care less on the issue but here are the facts.

1. Obama has released a "certificate of live birth". Not his real birth certificate that I have in my wallet and one that all people can get very quickly.

2. Obama has spent 2 million in legal fees on the issue.

My question is why would anyone spend 2 million in legal fees dealing with the issue and why won't he just release his real birth certificate.

The Republicans do not want to touch the issue because if they get trapped and Obama is really just playing games to trap his opponents then they got mud on their face.

I would not be surprised if Trump is the chosen one to hammer this issue. He is not a politician and his life is not about a political career like 99% of these politicians in both parties.

The fact is Trump is getting traction on the issue. He is right at the top of the polls while Obama has been sinking in the polls.


This reminds me a little like the Nixon/Hess confrontation 60 year or so ago when Nixon accused Alger Hess of being a Communist in the State Dept. Almost everyone including all of the media thought Nixon was wrong and was committing political suicide. But Nixon's gut along with Whitaker Chambers told him he was right and he was. Nixon's guts on taking this issue on when everyone else said he was nuts made his career and he became Ike's V.P.

Now Trump takes the Obama birth issue on all by himself. Everyone is attacking him or most people are.

I think there is something there. Maybe as Trump says there is something on his real certificate that he wants to hide but Trump has every right to press the issue until Obama releases his real birth certificate just like the one in my pocket and the one everyone else seems to have with the exception of this President.
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uncle fester wrote:

I don't know! I really could care less on the issue but here are the facts.



Facts? That's not the first time I've seen you use the word incorrectly.

Fester wrote:

1. Obama has released a "certificate of live birth". Not his real birth certificate that I have in my wallet and one that all people can get very quickly.



You seem to be in a dwindling minority of people who are still happy to risk public derision to claim that. Good luck.

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2. Obama has spent 2 million in legal fees on the issue.

My question is why would anyone spend 2 million in legal fees dealing with the issue and why won't he just release his real birth certificate.



Really? Claim to cite an impartial and unimpeachable source where those figures are supported beyond question?

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The Republicans do not want to touch the issue because if they get trapped and Obama is really just playing games to trap his opponents then they got mud on their face.



Bullshit. The GOP and their Teabagger flunkies have been punting this line since he won power - or don't you read the news? Actually, no, you don't - you're an habitué of Fox, so that answers that question.

In all truth, the 2012 election will be fought on real issues - the deficit, job creation etc. - and not non-issues involving lies about Obama's place of birth - and what's more, the GOP knows it, hence Trump being merely a sideshow and not a serious candidate.

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I would not be surprised if Trump is the chosen one to hammer this issue. He is not a politician and his life is not about a political career like 99% of these politicians in both parties.

The fact is Trump is getting traction on the issue. He is right at the top of the polls while Obama has been sinking in the polls.



And what you've missed is that Trump (and his hairdo) have no intention of running for the White House in 2012 - it's merely a publicity stunt to boost his own media presence (he does, after all have, have new reality TV show to punt). The more Trump babbles on about his bizarre birther agenda, the more detached from reality he appears. And just when Fox were coming out publicly to back him too... such a pity.

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This reminds me a little like the Nixon/Hess confrontation 60 year or so ago when Nixon accused Alger Hess of being a Communist in the State Dept. Almost everyone including all of the media thought Nixon was wrong and was committing political suicide. But Nixon's gut along with Whitaker Chambers told him he was right and he was. Nixon's guts on taking this issue on when everyone else said he was nuts made his career and he became Ike's V.P.

Now Trump takes the Obama birth issue on all by himself. Everyone is attacking him or most people are.



I know you've made some mad claims in the past, Steve, but you really will come unstuck on this one. Like I say, good luck...

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I think there is something there. Maybe as Trump says there is something on his real certificate that he wants to hide but Trump has every right to press the issue until Obama releases his real birth certificate just like the one in my pocket and the one everyone else seems to have with the exception of this President.



The irony being that when Trump claimed he'd released his own birth certificate, the New York Records Office corrected him and announced that actually, it wasn't. Oops.

Is Trump willing to show us proof of his hairline? And besides, Trump's ex-wives will make a real meal of any run he might make - he'd never survive the media onslaught.

Trump's a farce and currently making a mockery of US politics (if that's still possible, after Bush jnr) - perhaps unsurprising when he has Fox behind him.

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Maybe you are 100% correct on Trump. Maybe it is all a publicity stunt and he will not run.

Trump can handle any and all media onslaught though from the left. He is already showing he can handle it all by himself unlike this child-like President we have who hides behind all his minions.

My prediction is he is running.
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uncle fester wrote:
Maybe you are 100% correct on Trump. Maybe it is all a publicity stunt and he will not run.

Trump can handle any and all media onslaught though from the left. He is already showing he can handle it all by himself unlike this child-like President we have who hides behind all his minions.

My prediction is he is running.


Trump will not run - I'll be happy to take your money when you're proved wrong.

Unlike Trump, Obama will run - and win. Trump can't even get a certified copy of his own birth certificate out there. He'll back out of the race when he's cynically exploited the media enough for his own ends for his new reality TV show; and just before the media begins to make him look the chump he is - a job he seems to be doing [unaided] quite well at the moment.

Put your money where you mouth is Steve....?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:37 am Reply with quote
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Full Tilt Boogie wrote:
uncle fester wrote:
Maybe you are 100% correct on Trump. Maybe it is all a publicity stunt and he will not run.

Trump can handle any and all media onslaught though from the left. He is already showing he can handle it all by himself unlike this child-like President we have who hides behind all his minions.

My prediction is he is running.


Trump will not run - I'll be happy to take your money when you're proved wrong.

Unlike Trump, Obama will run - and win. Trump can't even get a certified copy of his own birth certificate out there. He'll back out of the race when he's cynically exploited the media enough for his own ends for his new reality TV show; and just before the media begins to make him look the chump he is - a job he seems to be doing [unaided] quite well at the moment.
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Put your money where you mouth is Steve....?




After an initial screw-up Trump did provide a birth certificate like the one in my wallet.

No problem! Be glad to make a friendly wager on it if you want! Big Grin
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uncle fester wrote:

I don't know! I really could care less on the issue but here are the facts.

1. Obama has released a "certificate of live birth". Not his real birth certificate that I have in my wallet and one that all people can get very quickly.



Steve, I think you need to read this:

President Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate

http://www.thepresidentialcandida...ck-obamas-birth-certificate/1120/

Specifically, this paragraph:


Certification of Live Birth

One of the craziest arguments that birthers make is that this is not President Obama’s “real birth certificate” because it says “certification of live birth” on it instead of “birth certificate.” This is just a different title for the same thing. By this line of logic nobody in Hawaii has a “real birth certificate” because they use the title “certification of live birth.” This is not unique to Hawaii, by the way. Many states use other names for birth certificate documents besides “birth certificate.” For example some states use the phrase “certificate of live birth.”

Take a look at your own birth certificate and see what the title of it is. I particularly challenge birthers do to this. Maybe they will find that they don’t have a “real birth certificate” either.

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Oh you two!!! Get a room already

No seriously Bren. Your side-stepping of the question by kind of asking another one excepted, what the rest of us want to know (er that is me, a scabby dog that wandered in and maybe Lulu if she's around) is:

ARE YOU GONNA MAN UP AND TAKE THE BET? :)

Go on go on go on go on.
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Oh you two!!! Get a room already

No seriously Bren. Your side-stepping of the question by kind of asking another one excepted, what the rest of us want to know (er that is me, a scabby dog that wandered in and maybe Lulu if she's around) is:

ARE YOU GONNA MAN UP AND TAKE THE BET? :)

Go on go on go on go on.


Big Grin Seeing as I'm the one who offered it, it'd be rude not to mate

The current crop of GOP candidates is heaven-sent as far as Obama is concerned - all Obama has to do is stick to the serious topics (debt & jobs) and watch the GOP candidates out lune each other (at least the ones who eventually stand -  which Palin and Trump won't do).

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Full Tilt Boogie wrote:
uncle fester wrote:

I don't know! I really could care less on the issue but here are the facts.

1. Obama has released a "certificate of live birth". Not his real birth certificate that I have in my wallet and one that all people can get very quickly.



Steve, I think you need to read this:

President Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate

http://www.thepresidentialcandida...ck-obamas-birth-certificate/1120/

Specifically, this paragraph:


Certification of Live Birth

One of the craziest arguments that birthers make is that this is not President Obama’s “real birth certificate” because it says “certification of live birth” on it instead of “birth certificate.” This is just a different title for the same thing. By this line of logic nobody in Hawaii has a “real birth certificate” because they use the title “certification of live birth.” This is not unique to Hawaii, by the way. Many states use other names for birth certificate documents besides “birth certificate.” For example some states use the phrase “certificate of live birth.”

Take a look at your own birth certificate and see what the title of it is. I particularly challenge birthers do to this. Maybe they will find that they don’t have a “real birth certificate” either.



For the record I think he "probably" was born in  Hawaii but what hospital was he born in. My long form birth certificate names the hospital. I know the name of the hospital and the hospital has my records.

Why does Obama not name the hospital he was born in and why is there no hospital that has come out declaring that this is where he was born and we have the records?

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